tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14598933.post7701400145301143942..comments2024-03-28T00:49:30.768-06:00Comments on Pondering Penguin: Thoughts OutloudKaren Townsendhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12692791436106987353noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14598933.post-24875252848181801902007-08-12T09:19:00.000-06:002007-08-12T09:19:00.000-06:00It can't be that you all weren't civil, could it? ...<I>It can't be that you all weren't civil, could it? I made you do it! Sorry, but that's typical.</I><BR/><BR/>Oh, no. I take full responsibilities for my actions and reactions. Why do you think I even apologized? But look at you, playing the victim card: "we all" weren't civil, and no apologies back from you. No ownership of responsibility.<BR/><BR/><I>Nantucket, you are a HNL. I'm not going to go there.</I><BR/><BR/>My peasized brain can't wrap itself around the meaning of HNL. Please "go there", and enlighten me.<BR/><BR/><I>Let me just say this:</I><BR/><BR/>You're not giving me a choice are you?<BR/><BR/><I> factually you both prattle on and have no links.</I><BR/><BR/>What links am I supposed to provide for you? Let me know how I can help you out.<BR/><BR/><I> Nan, if I may call you that, I see now where the 'tone' thing started.</I><BR/><BR/>Oh, so you do accept personal responsibility? Thank you. I accept your apology, and hope we can now move forward.<BR/><BR/><I>kthxbai</I><BR/><BR/>Just how old are you? We know how old you act...but how old are you really? <BR/><BR/>It may explain a lot.The WordSmith from Nantuckethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15937868119894243815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14598933.post-46299248550839234942007-08-11T23:02:00.000-06:002007-08-11T23:02:00.000-06:00As for MichelinesDonald, I got your name right. W...<I>As for Michelines</I><BR/><BR/><B>Donald</B>, I got your name right. Why call me a tire?<BR/><BR/>But that's <I>civil discourse</I> right Karen. Oh and, I managed to type your name correctly, too.<BR/><BR/>You all are mighty nice.<BR/><BR/>kthxbaimichilineshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17928316324462439074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14598933.post-87271681903871844722007-08-11T22:58:00.000-06:002007-08-11T22:58:00.000-06:00I recovered from my lethargy long enough to make i...I recovered from my lethargy long enough to make it over here.<BR/><BR/>frasypoo, you said: <I>That sickly sweet condescending tone of Michilines comments on previous posts is what makes all of us say something.</I><BR/><BR/>It can't be that you all weren't civil, could it? I made you do it! Sorry, but that's typical.<BR/><BR/><I>I know exactly what is meant by the country needing antother 9/11. Yet, a headline like that is going to be red meat to the bloodthristy Kos crowd.</I><BR/><BR/>Yes donald, I am part of the Kos crowd. . . assumptions will get you absolutely nowhere. Agreeing with the idea that the death of Americans is 'what we need' seems to be civil discourse. k<BR/><BR/>kip152, you tried at least: <I>But, after a little pondering, I came to understand what he meant. The America we live in today is quite different from the one we lived in on 9/10.<BR/>We've all made mistakes in the aftermath of the disaster. <BR/>There will always be some very bad people in the world, labels only make a messed up situation more confusing.</I><BR/><BR/>I think that is the place Billy Graham is in. At least it is honest.<BR/><BR/>Nantucket, you are a HNL. I'm not going to go there.<BR/><BR/>Let me just say this: factually you both prattle on and have no links. Nan, if I may call you that, I see now where the 'tone' thing started.<BR/><BR/>kthxbaimichilineshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17928316324462439074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14598933.post-51871329979871933752007-08-11T14:32:00.000-06:002007-08-11T14:32:00.000-06:00Wordsmith....great comment.That sickly sweet conde...Wordsmith....great comment.<BR/>That sickly sweet condescending tone of Michilines comments on previous posts is what makes all of us say something.<BR/>I do think Karen is a good person for letting comments like this through.Frasierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11855104479614125294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14598933.post-25615956545319280642007-08-11T11:15:00.000-06:002007-08-11T11:15:00.000-06:00Karen: This is an excellent post. I know exactly w...Karen: This is an excellent post. I know exactly what is meant by the country needing antother 9/11. Yet, a headline like that is going to be red meat to the bloodthristy Kos crowd. You know, the recent argument that the GOP wants another attack to pump up the party's rating, etc. Or how about Cheney pushing to invade some other countries. It's all the same propaganda.<BR/><BR/>As for Michelines, I have to give Wordsmith a tip of the hat for concisely debunking his points, one by one. I especially liked the point about the Islamists. I'll note to that I doubt Islam is so peaceful, though I appreciate Ali Hirsi and others who denounce the radical fundamentalists in our midst.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://burkeanreflections.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">Burkean Reflections</A>AmPowerBloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18236333181889271910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14598933.post-61343658760388228982007-08-11T01:37:00.000-06:002007-08-11T01:37:00.000-06:00I'm a little slow. When I first read that article,...I'm a little slow. When I first read that article, my first emotion was anger. Another 9/11! But, after a little pondering, I came to understand what he meant. The America we live in today is quite different from the one we lived in on 9/10.<BR/>We've all made mistakes in the aftermath of the disaster. <BR/>There will always be some very bad people in the world, labels only make a messed up situation more confusing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14598933.post-58852066246633501732007-08-10T22:40:00.000-06:002007-08-10T22:40:00.000-06:00Irshad said Americans are so apologetic, not wanti...<I>Irshad said Americans are so apologetic, not wanting to ever offend any one's feelings, that we don't make a convincing case against the ways of radical Islam</I><BR/><BR/>I absolutely see this. It's like the greatest virtue on earth is to "never offend" and show tolerance, nonjudgment, and give moral equivalency.<BR/><BR/>For a long while, I was sick of hearing "Islam is a religion of peace". Basically, excusing and being apologists for Muslim radicals. As you know, I am well aware that moderate Muslims who don't agree with the hirabahists exist. When I speak of "Islamic militant radicals" and "Islamofascist terrorists", I'm not speaking about the millions of peaceful Muslims out there. How do I make myself any clearer? <BR/><BR/><I>I don't care much about the personal attacks that followed my comments on your other posts.</I><BR/><BR/>Well, maybe you should not have made the personal attacks on Karen? Your tone was condescending and insulting. What kind of response do you honestly expect to get back?<BR/><BR/>Nevertheless, I apologize to you for my reaction.<BR/><BR/><I>The occupation of Iraq has made all of our lives different.</I><BR/><BR/>So did 9/11. The "occupation" of Iraq didn't begin with decisions President Bush has made. Many events played itself out to lead us to the point in time and history where we find ourselves at now. It's not just one man. 9/11 didn't begin on 9/11.<BR/><BR/><I> Yours is different because now you focus on muslims, and worry over them so much.</I><BR/><BR/>I think Karen worries about us being asleep again, pretending that there aren't radical Islamists out there hell-bent on our destruction. You have the Khomeinites who await the 12th imam; you have al-Qaeda who wish to create another Caliphate, and subjugate the world under Islamic rule, as they interpret it. And with them, you have millions who might not turn "jihad" terrorist; but they do act as supporters, sympathizers, and apologists. I'd say, that's a problem.<BR/><BR/><BR/><I> I'll make the same offer to you that I did to Kathleen. I can introduce you to muslims, Palestinians even, living here in Houston. If you agreed, you would see that they are no threat to you.</I><BR/><BR/>I'm sure they aren't. Karen can speak for herself, but they're not the ones I worry about. The ones I worry about are the Islamists. The wahabbists who are intolerant of other cultures, other religions, other governments, other ways of life beyond their strict interpretation of Islam. They desire to impose Sharia Law upon everyone. And they are willing to exercise violent means to bring their vision about. Those are the nutjobs I'm worried about.<BR/><BR/><I>My life is different because I now have to defend the people of my country on a daily basis.</I><BR/><BR/>Just imagine the weight on the President's shoulders. He makes decisions on a daily basis to protect YOU and those you feel like you have to defend. <BR/><BR/>We've had it easy in this country. The people of other countries have lived shoulder to shoulder with violence and hardships our generation is unfamiliar with, as a whole. Our success of domestic peace and prosperity allows us the luxury of engaging in altruism, introspection, self-criticism, and unparalleled concern for human rights.<BR/><BR/><BR/><I> Karen, you guys make life very difficult for me.</I><BR/><BR/>Feeling's mutual. <BR/><BR/><BR/><I> I'd appreciate it if you could consider my offer. Then you could write something positive about those other people.</I><BR/><BR/>I have been writing positives about the Muslims you speak of. And at the same time giving the double middle finger to the Islamic terrorists who want us all dead.<BR/><BR/><I><BR/>Ankle biters commence!</I><BR/><BR/>*growrrr*<BR/><BR/>Hope you didn't mind my intrusion. I know you addressed your thoughts to Karen.The WordSmith from Nantuckethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15937868119894243815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14598933.post-74033594941770687202007-08-10T20:40:00.000-06:002007-08-10T20:40:00.000-06:00Karen, I responded to your comment over at my shel...Karen, I responded to your comment over at my shell blog.<BR/><BR/>Plagiarism is very serious. People lose their jobs for it. Mags get criticized for it. Students (my specialty) get kicked out for it. Kathleen did it and I wrote to her editor --once. He wrote me back and thanked me. She changed her post.<BR/><BR/>Now she claims that I wrote to her editor more than once, and her pals insult my looks. I don't care about the appearance thing -- to each their own -- but she is lying on threads on other sights.<BR/><BR/>Can you at least see where I am coming from?michilineshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17928316324462439074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14598933.post-71425772018316104662007-08-10T19:49:00.000-06:002007-08-10T19:49:00.000-06:00Karen, I actually appreciate the fact that you let...Karen, I actually appreciate the fact that you let my comments though. I don't care much about the personal attacks that followed my comments on your other posts. People will respond in that way. You nor I can stop them.<BR/><BR/>I also appreciate your thoughtful post on this newspaper article. I've read about it but haven't read it. I don't think I need to.<BR/><BR/>I remember the unity that I personally felt with people all over the world after 9/11. You see, I teach international students. I've written about this before, but I will condense it for you now. The day it happened was the first day of classes at my school. We had Saudis, Morrocans, Jordanians, Asians, Pakistanis, Africans, Latin Americans all in our classes. Many of them didn't know what had happened that morning. It was a difficult time. But when I checked my email later, it was swamped with messages of support from all across the planet -- from my former students.<BR/><BR/>By March 2003 that was gone. Our student base shrank. Our students were harassed by INS. It has been a struggle.<BR/><BR/>I know that the other stories you relate in your post are very important to you, but are they so important that you can't see beyond them? The occupation of Iraq has made all of our lives different. Yours is different because now you focus on muslims, and worry over them so much. I'll make the same offer to you that I did to Kathleen. I can introduce you to muslims, Palestinians even, living here in Houston. If you agreed, you would see that they are no threat to you.<BR/><BR/>My life is different because I now have to defend the people of my country on a daily basis. Karen, you guys make life very difficult for me. I'd appreciate it if you could consider my offer. Then you could write something positive about those other people.<BR/><BR/>Just a thought.<BR/><BR/>Ankle biters commence!michilineshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17928316324462439074noreply@blogger.com